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Naan, leavening, and yogurt??
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Kent
2007-01-10 07:07:49 UTC
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A lady in a local Indian food store tells me that
you can rise naan using only yogurt as the leavening agent.
It takes all night, as she says, which would improve flavor.
Does anyone have any experience with this??
Beyond that, what's your favorite recipe for Naan.
The best I have used to the present is:

1/2 cup water
3/4 cup plain yogurt
2 tablespoons butter
3 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 tablespoon sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 1/2 teaspoons yeast

This is much more than the usual yogurt amt. in almost all naan recipes,
although
it tastes the best of any I have found. I haven't had much success using
baking powder as the leavening agent.

Thoughts would be very welcome.

Kent
KingOfGlop
2007-01-10 10:05:46 UTC
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Post by Kent
A lady in a local Indian food store tells me that
you can rise naan using only yogurt as the leavening agent.
It takes all night, as she says, which would improve flavor.
Does anyone have any experience with this??
Beyond that, what's your favorite recipe for Naan.
1/2 cup water
3/4 cup plain yogurt
2 tablespoons butter
3 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 tablespoon sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 1/2 teaspoons yeast
This is much more than the usual yogurt amt. in almost all naan recipes,
although
it tastes the best of any I have found. I haven't had much success using
baking powder as the leavening agent.
Thoughts would be very welcome.
Kent
The recipe I use has yoghurt, baking powder AND yeast. It's from Madhur
Jaffery and makes delicious Naan.

I'm feeling like hammered sh*t right now so I'll scan and post details
later.

Love

John
Di Brookman
2007-01-10 12:23:49 UTC
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Post by KingOfGlop
The recipe I use has yoghurt, baking powder AND yeast. It's from
Madhur Jaffery and makes delicious Naan.
I'm feeling like hammered sh*t right now so I'll scan and post details
later. Love John
Oh poor you John - to save you the trouble I will post it for you :)
Makes 6 large breads:
1/4 pt (150ml) hand-hot milk
2 teaspoons castor sugar
2 teaspoons dried active yeast
1 lb (450gm) plain flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon baking powder
2 tablespoons gegetale oil plus a little extra
5 fl oz (150 ml) plain yoghurt, lightly beaten
1 large egg, lightly beaten

Method:
Put milk in a bowl. Add 1 teaspoon of the sugar and yeast. Stir to mix.
Set aside for 15-20 mins or until the yeast has dissolved and the mixture is
frothy.
Sift the flour, salt, and baking powder into a large bowl. Add the
remaining 1 tespoon sugar, the yeast mixture, the 2 tablespoons vegetable
oil, yoghurt and egg. Mix and form a ball of dough.
Empty the dough onto a clean surgace and knead it for 10 mins or more until
smooth and satiny. Form into a ball. Pour about 1/4 teaspoon oil into a
large bowl and roll the ball of dough in it. Cover bowl with cling film and
leave to rise in warm place for 1 hour or until dough has doubled.
Preheat oven to hightest temperature. Put heaviest baking tray to heat in
the oven. Preheat your grill.
Punch down dough and knead it again. divide into 6 equal balls. Keep five
covered whilst working with 6th. Roll ball into tear-shaped naan, about 10"
(25.5cm) in length and about 5" (13cm) at its widest. Remove the hot baking
tray from the oven and slap the naan onto it. Put it immediately into the
oven for 3 mins. It should puff up. Now place the baking tray and naan
under the grill about 3-4 inches away from the heat, for about 30 seconds or
until the top of the naan browns slightly. Wrap the naan in a clean tea
towel. Make all the naans this way and serve hot.
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I pre-heat my planc (griddle) over a gas flame until really hot then place
that into the oven. I roll all the naans out but keep covered. I slap the
first naan onto the planc without removing it from the oven - then place in
my grill pan under the grill ...... truly scrumptious ;)
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Di
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Diane Brookman
"The hurrier I am the behinder I get"
Di Brookman
2007-01-10 12:32:37 UTC
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Di Brookman wrote:
OOPS _ A million apologies - I didn't read through before I sent - here is
the spell-checker version ;)
2 tablespoons Vegetable (gegetale) oil plus a little extra
Empty the dough onto a clean surface (surgace) and knead it for 10 mins or
more
Preheat oven to highest (hightest) temperature.
Di
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Diane Brookman
"The hurrier I am the behinder I get"
Mary Fisher
2007-01-10 12:42:24 UTC
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2 tablespoons Vegetable (gegetale) oil plus a little extra
LOL! I thought that must be an exotic ingredient I'd have to go to the local
Medina shop for :-)

Mary
Di Brookman
2007-01-10 13:28:58 UTC
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Post by Mary Fisher
2 tablespoons Vegetable (gegetale) oil plus a little extra
LOL! I thought that must be an exotic ingredient I'd have to go to
the local Medina shop for :-) Mary
ROTFL I thought you might and hence the quick spell-check - I did not want
to have to respond to a million people asking for the product details :)
Di
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Diane Brookman
"The hurrier I am the behinder I get"
KingOfGlop
2007-01-10 13:00:44 UTC
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Post by KingOfGlop
The recipe I use has yoghurt, baking powder AND yeast. It's from
Madhur Jaffery and makes delicious Naan.
I'm feeling like hammered sh*t right now so I'll scan and post details
later. Love John
Thank you, Di,

You are kind to an old wreck<g>

Love

John
Di Brookman
2007-01-10 13:27:26 UTC
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Post by KingOfGlop
Thank you, Di,
You are kind to an old wreck<g> Love John
OK dear man - but whatever have you been doing to yourself. Is it the
morning after the night before syndrome or is it some dreaded lurgy that has
had the nerve to disrupt your life?
Whichever or whatever - get better soon.
Di
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Diane Brookman
"The hurrier I am the behinder I get"
KingOfGlop
2007-01-11 02:23:21 UTC
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Post by Di Brookman
Post by KingOfGlop
Thank you, Di,
You are kind to an old wreck<g> Love John
OK dear man - but whatever have you been doing to yourself. Is it the
morning after the night before syndrome or is it some dreaded lurgy that has
had the nerve to disrupt your life?
Whichever or whatever - get better soon.
Di
--
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Diane Brookman
"The hurrier I am the behinder I get"
Di,

I have Parkinson's Disease and sometimes the complex stew of chemicals
I have to swallow in order to keep moving (literally) make me very
nauseous, dizzy and weak.

But it never lasts more than a day or two and the alternative is a LOT
worse.

Love

John

Who is, indeed, feeling much better.
Boron Elgar
2007-01-11 14:53:10 UTC
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Post by KingOfGlop
Post by Di Brookman
Post by KingOfGlop
Thank you, Di,
You are kind to an old wreck<g> Love John
OK dear man - but whatever have you been doing to yourself. Is it the
morning after the night before syndrome or is it some dreaded lurgy that has
had the nerve to disrupt your life?
Whichever or whatever - get better soon.
Di
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Diane Brookman
"The hurrier I am the behinder I get"
Di,
I have Parkinson's Disease and sometimes the complex stew of chemicals
I have to swallow in order to keep moving (literally) make me very
nauseous, dizzy and weak.
But it never lasts more than a day or two and the alternative is a LOT
worse.
Love
John
Who is, indeed, feeling much better.
I am glad you are feeling better, John. I have RA and have found
myself in similar medication circumstances. You have all my
sympathies.

Boron
KingOfGlop
2007-01-11 16:03:10 UTC
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Post by Boron Elgar
Post by KingOfGlop
Post by Di Brookman
Post by KingOfGlop
Thank you, Di,
You are kind to an old wreck<g> Love John
OK dear man - but whatever have you been doing to yourself. Is it the
morning after the night before syndrome or is it some dreaded lurgy that has
had the nerve to disrupt your life?
Whichever or whatever - get better soon.
Di
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Diane Brookman
"The hurrier I am the behinder I get"
Di,
I have Parkinson's Disease and sometimes the complex stew of chemicals
I have to swallow in order to keep moving (literally) make me very
nauseous, dizzy and weak.
But it never lasts more than a day or two and the alternative is a LOT
worse.
Love
John
Who is, indeed, feeling much better.
I am glad you are feeling better, John. I have RA and have found
myself in similar medication circumstances. You have all my
sympathies.
Boron
And you mine, the decision, to take meds and be free of pain but
totally out of your tree or be on Planet earth and hurt is a bastard.

But, what the hell, life goes on.

A piece of doggerel to (possibly) amuse you.<g>

The sands of time are running low
the clock of doom is ticking.
Time's chariot makes a fearsome foe
as, in the noose, we're kicking.

When life seems bleak and death glides near
there's nowhere you can hide.
you can't escape the bite of fear
here comes the bumpy ride.

The scythe of Death is long and sharp
it flenses saint and sinner
you'll have no chance to learn the harp
when you're a demon's dinner.

There's now way out, no happy end
to life's despair and fear
We're all just waiting to ascend
straight up the Devil's rear.

So, don't say, "Cheer up , dismal John!"
your words mean nought to me.
Existence just drags on and on
and only death is free.

Don't try to hope, it doesn't work
don't rally to the fight
for life will drive you quite berserk
with no relief in sight.

Now, all this talk of death and Hell
may seem a little blue
but when the reaper rings his bell
the summoned one is you.

There is no hope, no winning bet
no lottery of life
for what you see is what you get
and that is endless strife.

Your fate is sealed, you're just God's toy
there is no way to win
and even if you find some joy
it's probably a sin.

So "Sleep you well!", to all my friends
and don't believe my verse
for life's a pain that never ends
but death is surely worse.

Love

John
Di Brookman
2007-01-11 21:17:58 UTC
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Post by KingOfGlop
Post by Boron Elgar
Post by KingOfGlop
I have Parkinson's Disease and sometimes the complex stew of
chemicals I have to swallow in order to keep moving (literally)
make me very nauseous, dizzy and weak.
But it never lasts more than a day or two and the alternative is a
LOT worse. Love John>>> >>> Who is, indeed, feeling much better.
I am glad you are feeling better, John. I have RA and have found
myself in similar medication circumstances. You have all my
sympathies.
Boron
And you mine, the decision, to take meds and be free of pain but
totally out of your tree or be on Planet earth and hurt is a bastard.
But, what the hell, life goes on.
Been there and done that re drugs (presciption ones of course) and the
effect that has on one's body - at the end of the day it is the quality of
your life for as long as you are able. Just take it all out on the dough -
the poor bread must get the battering from hell!

You sound so positive and fun - keep it up mate :)
Di
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Diane Brookman
"The hurrier I am the behinder I get"
RsH
2007-01-11 17:36:38 UTC
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NOTE: My only 'grill' is the top oven grilling element and I do not
have a griddle, so I suspect that I need to bake for the three minutes
in the middle of the oven and then 'grill' on my cast iron tortilla
pan [comal] heated on the bigger heating element on top of the stove.
That means I need to make each Naan smaller, to fit, so I would make
12 instead of 6, but use the same technique.

This method, using a heavy cast iron pan, should work for those who do
not have the griddle or a separate grill.

I have replaced the active dry yeast with instant or bread machine
yeast, which means that proofing of the yeast is not needed. That is
reflected in the instructions below, both in the way of quantity and
in the combination of the first two steps in the original recipe. I
have also taken the liberty of altering U.K. terms to those used in
Canada and the U.S. in two places. I have also rounded each
ingredient's quantity to the nearest whole gram, which is about 1/28th
of an ounce. Otherwise the recipe is as posted by Di.

FWIW,

RsH
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Naan #1

"Di Brookman" via bt.com

Servings: 6

155 g milk, room temperature
8 g granulated sugar
5 g bread machine yeast
454 g all-purpose flour
3 g salt
5 g baking powder
27 g vegetable oil, + a little extra on hand
155 g plain yogurt
50 g egg, [1 large egg]

Put a large enough bowl on your scale, set to grams, and turn it on.
TARE the scale if it does not show 0 grams.

Weigh milk, sugar, yeast, flour, salt, baking powder, vegetable oil,
yoghurt and egg into that bowl. Mix and form a ball of dough.

Empty the dough onto a clean surface and knead it for 10 mins or more
until smooth and satiny. Form into a ball.

Pour about 1/4 teaspoon oil into a large bowl and roll the ball of
dough in it. Cover bowl with plastic wrap and leave to rise in warm
place for 1 hour or until dough has doubled.

Preheat oven to highest temperature. Put heaviest baking tray to heat
in the oven. Preheat your grill.

Punch down dough and knead it again. Divide into 6 equal balls. Keep
five covered while working with 6th. Roll ball into tear-shaped naan,
about 10" (25.5cm) in length and about 5" (13cm) at its widest.

Remove the hot baking tray from the oven and slap the naan onto it.
Put it immediately into the oven for 3 mins. It should puff up. Now
place the baking tray and naan under the grill about 3-4 inches away
from the heat, for about 30 seconds or until the top of the naan
browns slightly. Wrap the naan in a clean tea towel. Make all the
naans this way and serve hot.

I pre-heat my planc (griddle) over a gas flame until really hot then
place that into the oven. I roll all the naans out but keep covered. I
slap the first naan onto the planc without removing it from the oven -
then place in my grill pan under the grill ...... truly scrumptious ;)
Yield: 6 loaves

Per Serving (excluding unknown items): 366 Calories; 8g Fat (19.3%
calories from fat); 11g Protein; 62g Carbohydrate; 2g Dietary Fiber;
41mg Cholesterol; 320mg Sodium. Exchanges: 4 Grain(Starch); 0 Lean
Meat; 0 Non-Fat Milk; 1 1/2 Fat; 0 Other Carbohydrates.

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I would put the comal on the heating element and heat it up, and once
the naan comes out of the oven after the three minutes, transfer it to
the comal until the bottom of the naan, which is the side making
contact with the comal, browns a bit. How long that would take only
time will tell, but it should not take long if the comal is really
hot. Smoke coming out of the comal would be a good indicator that its
been too long :-) - RsH
Mary Fisher
2007-01-10 11:16:59 UTC
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Post by Kent
A lady in a local Indian food store tells me that
you can rise naan using only yogurt as the leavening agent.
It takes all night, as she says, which would improve flavor.
Does anyone have any experience with this??
Beyond that, what's your favorite recipe for Naan.
1/2 cup water
3/4 cup plain yogurt
2 tablespoons butter
3 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 tablespoon sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 1/2 teaspoons yeast
This is much more than the usual yogurt amt. in almost all naan recipes,
although
it tastes the best of any I have found. I haven't had much success using
baking powder as the leavening agent.
Using baking powder, in my experience, results in something which isn't
bread. Even Irish soda 'bread' isn't, in my opinion, the texture is more
like scones or cake than bread.

I've saved your ingredient list, do you have any instructions for the
method?

Mary
Kent
2007-01-11 21:33:08 UTC
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Post by Mary Fisher
Post by Kent
A lady in a local Indian food store tells me that
you can rise naan using only yogurt as the leavening agent.
It takes all night, as she says, which would improve flavor.
Does anyone have any experience with this??
Beyond that, what's your favorite recipe for Naan.
1/2 cup water
3/4 cup plain yogurt
2 tablespoons butter
3 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 tablespoon sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 1/2 teaspoons yeast
This is much more than the usual yogurt amt. in almost all naan recipes,
although
it tastes the best of any I have found. I haven't had much success using
baking powder as the leavening agent.
Using baking powder, in my experience, results in something which isn't
bread. Even Irish soda 'bread' isn't, in my opinion, the texture is more
like scones or cake than bread.
I've saved your ingredient list, do you have any instructions for the
method?
Mary
Kneading and Rising: I follow something pretty much similar to what I do
with pizza.
I always use a preferment, a poolish in this case, letting it ferment about
6 hours. I combine the poolish[1 cup flower, .5 cups h20, and .5 tsp yeast]
with the remaining ingredients above and knead about 7 minutes in a
breadmaker. I think this time I added .5 tsp yeast. After it doubles, I put
it on my breadboard and divide it into 6 little balls. After resting a bit,
I roll them out and bake them.

Baking, after some experimenting: I put a pizza stone on an upper rack in
the oven, and heated to max, with the lower baking element. This takes a
full 45 or so minutes.
When I'm ready to bake, I put the oven on broil, set at 500F, with the door
closed, and wait to see the element glowing. Then moisten both sides of the
naan, and slap it onto the stone. Make certain the top side is moisturized
as well. At that moment it's a good idea to spray water mist into the oven,
to mimick a baking oven. I do this routinely with pizza.
Let it bake for about 3-4 minutes, until you see a tiny bit of browning and
remove.
The timing in the oven is crucial. A bit too quick and you end up with
something gooey. A bit too long and you have a cracker. It should be
slightly stiff when it comes out. That stiffness goes away somewhat as it
cools. Paint with small amount of oil of choice and eat away. Writing this
makes me hungry.

Kent
Mary Fisher
2007-01-12 10:40:20 UTC
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"Kent" <***@comcast.net> wrote in message

<snip recipe altready saved>
Post by Mary Fisher
I've saved your ingredient list, do you have any instructions for the
method?
Mary
<snip method, saved>

Thank you, I'll try it.

Mary

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